I just finished reading the last issue of the Tenth Realm, the Thor and Loki tie-in to the Original Sin event, and while I did not particularly enjoy it, I did not end specifically angry at it. I am still convinced that Al Ewing can’t write Thor well, but that is not something I find myself thinking over.
What I have come away thinking about is the claims made prior to the release of the first Agent of Asgard issue where there was all of the talk about Loki being gender fluid. We’ve seen him don a female guise a few times now, and I still don’t buy it.
Whenever Loki has become a female, it is always in service to the story. There is always a reason behind it. He turns into a woman to trick Lorelei. He transforms himself again because the angels won’t accept men. We get a one off panel of him as a woman when they are breaking into the dungeons of Asgardia where he is giving demonstrations on his shape-shifting. Nowhere in the story have we ever seen him just lounging around as a woman because that is the gender he feels like that day.
No. It’s always for some plot-related purpose, and that does not read as someone who is gender fluid. That reads as a person who identifies as male and uses becoming a female as a means to an end, and after all of the press and what a big deal they were making about him being gender fluid, it feels like we’ve lied to. What we have witnessed in the comics so far is a male pretending at being a female, not someone who genuinely identifies as being female along with being male, and that is not what Marvel promised to its audience.
Yep, I absolutely agree with you regarding Loki’s presentation of gender in the comics so far. While Loki is definitely less misogynistic than both his old self, and his NEW old self (King Loki keeps slurring AOA Loki by calling him variations of ‘girl child’), Loki hasn’t really presented himself as genderfluid.
The thing is, I don’t think Ewing ever meant to imply that Loki was genderfluid.
From Al Ewing’s original ask-answer
Yes, Loki is bi and I’ll be touching on that. He’ll shift between genders occasionally as well.
This is exactly what has happened in the comics so far. I think the most telling scene was the one where Loki said that his female form was just as much who he was as his fox form.
Loki hasn’t been written as a genderfluid being. Loki is being written as a shapeshifter, who no longer has as much baggage associated with being ‘Loki who is a woman’. Loki still appears to be written as identifying as Loki, vs. identifying as different genders.
I don’t remember Ewing mentioning that Loki was genderfluid in any further interviews. But I do know that many news sites and tumblr posts took Ewing’s original post, and interpreted it as Ewing saying that Loki was going to be genderfluid (I know for a fact people interpreted it that way, because I once had a discussion with someone who insisted that Ewing had said ‘switch between genders’ because they were insistent that Ewing was aware of the connotation of saying that ‘loki switches genders’. (I personally think that it was Ewing knowing that using the term ‘sex’ is a loaded term when talking about gender politics)
As I’ve always said, I won’t buy as genderfluid (I interpret Loki identifying as ‘Loki’ - who generally defaults as male) until Loki is just doing stuff, hanging out in his apartment or in his off time as a woman, just because that is the gender Loki feels like presenting/feels comfortable in at that moment. Playing video games as a lady, reading books as a lady, buying tights as a lady… with no ulterior motive or reason or manipulation.
#loki #meta #I feel this a bit more than the lady geek girl article tbh #but we'll see #I'm still praying for an unambiguously genderfluid loki bc that would be cool
If at any point this Wednesday you happened to hear a screech of victory carried on the early autumn air, that was probably me. Sorry if I startled you. As any regular readers will surely know by now, I have been both deeply invested in and deeply dubious of Al Ewing’s claims about Loki’s gender fluidity and the appropriate representation thereof. Over the course of 10 issues, I went from cautiously optimistic to staunchly pessimistic to pleasantly surprised, but though the hints and mentions of Loki’s unconventional relationship with gender have been leaning in the right direction, they have heretofore remained simply hints and mentions. Rejoice, happy readers, for the cloud of vagueness has passed, the indistinct hand-waving has coalesced into fact, there shall be no more shrugs and “ehh” noises. As of Thor & Loki: The Tenth Realm #5, Loki is expressly and unambiguously stated to be both male and female in nature. Raise a glass.
Thor & Loki: The Tenth Realm #4
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Anyone? Anyone at all?
"I won’t be the one who comes for her."
Thor. You have four friends there, all of whom will do anything you ask them to. So which one of them do you ask to go fetch your new girlfriend? The one who’s in love with you, whose heart is broken by her very existence.
Thor, you are a shithead.
My problem with the idea that Sif secretly has romantic feelings for Thor is that it plays into one of the most insidious female character stereotypes there is: that any woman of note in the narrative is assumed by default to have (or develop) romantic feelings for the male lead. Because he’s the hero of the story! Of course all the women in his life are in love with him, he deserves it!
We never see direct evidence that Sif is romantically interested in Thor; she certainly never says anything of the sort herself. Which means to make this assumption about Sif is to choose to read her as cowardly and dishonest. Cowardly because she doesn’t come forward and tell Thor her true feelings, dishonest because she keeps his company under false pretences.
Sif is a woman who stood up to expectations forced on her gender because she was determined to be true to herself. Nothing about that reads as cowardly or dishonest to me. Sif reads to me as the sort of woman who would say something to Thor if she were romantically interested, not just secretly pine for him. Who, if it turned out her interest was not reciprocated, would have the emotional maturity to either deal with that and move on or separate herself from Thor until she could.
To choose to interpret her as following Thor around lovesick and heartbroken is to strip away her agency and her strength, to reduce her to yet another female character ruled by her emotional attachment to the hero. And honestly, there was more than enough shoddy treatment of female characters in TDW without making assumptions that add to it ourselves. Even the film itself didn’t try to sell the love triangle storyline (thank god).
Jaimie Alexander has specifically said that Sif is in love with Thor, for what that’s worth. (x)
BUT I definitely agree that Sif is mature and confident enough not to resent Jane or feel threatened by her, or to mope because Thor doesn’t yet love her the same way. Yes, she loves Thor, but it doesn’t make her weak or change her behavior; she’s very much her own person. The fact that Sif can continue to hang out with Thor even when she feels the way she does and have it not be a big deal is a greater testament to her strength than if she didn’t feel anything for him at all.
#I need so much more jotun!thor in my life #thorloki #jotun!thor #jotun!loki #fanart
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